10.732 @ 136.7

[2point2]

Went to the track today and hit a 10. :) backed up my 60ft from last year with a 1.617.

I'll post the slip and details later.

oh, and it's still a 100% internally stock h22 and h22 trans for all the h-series haters out there. :grouphug: you know how you are.

[meancx]

wow paul thats fucking intense, congrats man!!!!

[Trance|Ghost]

holy shit... absolutly amazing

congrats on getting into the 10's.. you now have one of the fastest street legal crx's in ontario (at least IMO)

[klown78]

Very nice paul!!

[vwguy]

WOW, that is all i have to say, must be a blast to drive.

[AP2.S2K]

great time congrats

[mustang 7]

great time

[Timberland]

Crix just called me last night to tell me about this... that's impressive to say the least! I knew the car would be fast, but I had no idea it was capable of this. Maybe your dyno at Forest and Forest wasn't such a fluke?:D

[vwguy]

Hey Paul, was this on slicks ??
( i know this might be a dumb question as the 60' sreams SLICKS )

[AP2.S2K]

Paul I have a B20 vtec with a snail going on

Interested In tunning??

[AP2.S2K]

Hey Paul, was this on slicks ??
( i know this might be a dumb question as the 60' sreams SLICKS )

you cant get a honda to do that with out slicks....LOL

[rustbucket]

wow, very impressive.

[khunt0012]

Congrats buddy! Glad everything worked out for you.

[crxforum]

I was talking to Paul on his way home from the track. Congrats on the numbers Paul. Thats really amazing. So how long until you build the motor and hit 9s?

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[crxforum]

Oh I forgot to add.

CRX CAN NEVER LOSE!

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[wparsons]

Congrats Paul!!

Any chance you'll post the dyno chart, or atleast pm me the #'s?? :D

[footose]

Sick man, sick.

[JDMEM2]

wow...congrats man!

[khunt0012]

Oh I forgot to add.

CRX CAN NEVER LOSE!

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It's "loose" Mike. You know better then that. :p

[Nikiterzts]

thats one crazy fast go cart!

[Mooner]

wow, congrats

[2point2]

Congrats Paul!!

Any chance you'll post the dyno chart, or atleast pm me the #'s?? :D


I wont post the dyno charts because they are not precise and it only leads to shit talkers. The motor dynoed with a steady 9psi(g) and ran what it ran.

what people need to understand is that 'whp' means NOTHING because dynos aren't build to be precise, they are built to be accurate and repeatable. The only thing that matters is that you leave the dyno with a safe tune.

Also, if you do the math it doesnt take much power to hit a 10 in a CRX. Look at the allmotor guys. Power alone is not what makes this car go. F=MA the last time I checked.

[Bchillin]

Congrats man

[VW4Life]

congrats

[Timberland]

I wont post the dyno charts because they are not precise and it only leads to shit talkers. The motor dynoed with a steady 9psi(g) and ran what it ran.

what people need to understand is that 'whp' means NOTHING because dynos aren't build to be precise, they are built to be accurate and repeatable. The only thing that matters is that you leave the dyno with a safe tune.

Also, if you do the math it doesnt take much power to hit a 10 in a CRX. Look at the allmotor guys. Power alone is not what makes this car go. F=MA the last time I checked.


Thank you Paul! I'm so sick of people thinking a dyno graph is the be-all-end-all. Just because someone has a power figure on paper, doesn't make it 100% accurate. There are many ways to cheat a dyno.

[2point2]

Paul I have a B20 vtec with a snail going on

Interested In tunning??

I'm always interested in tuning allmotor or lower boost setups. I have a pretty good system for street tuning OBD1 hondas in the works. I prefer crome but my datalogging equipment is completely stand-alone so I can pretty much tune anything.

[Code-Red]

Awesome run Paul!

CRX's ftw.

[AP2.S2K]

I'm always interested in tuning allmotor or lower boost setups. I have a pretty good system for street tuning OBD1 hondas in the works. I prefer crome but my datalogging equipment is completely stand-alone so I can pretty much tune anything.

its only going to be 8-10 psi

[crxforum]

its only going to be 8-10 psi

Untill spring...

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[Accent4ever]

Great job, thats pretty amazing man!

[99Goblin]

id probly shit my pants going that fast in a CRX!

[Sebastien]

Good job Paul. You still need to take me for a ride since the CRX meet...

[OverBoostinDSM]

very impressive. are u the guy with the H22 with the T3/T4 that was at a meet or two?

[vwguy]

Thank you Paul! I'm so sick of people thinking a dyno graph is the be-all-end-all. Just because someone has a power figure on paper, doesn't make it 100% accurate. There are many ways to cheat a dyno.

Totally agree, i learned that very fast on the dyno.
Altough they are good to ensure the car runs under safe conditions, they will never be able to simulate the street. Even the loading of the tires, spooling of the turbo, exact range of your power band, can't acctually be duplicated on the dyno.
What it is good for, is providing a safe environment to simulate repeated hard acceleration and high speed runs, without having your licence revoked. :D

[wparsons]

I wont post the dyno charts because they are not precise and it only leads to shit talkers. The motor dynoed with a steady 9psi(g) and ran what it ran.

what people need to understand is that 'whp' means NOTHING because dynos aren't build to be precise, they are built to be accurate and repeatable. The only thing that matters is that you leave the dyno with a safe tune.

Also, if you do the math it doesnt take much power to hit a 10 in a CRX. Look at the allmotor guys. Power alone is not what makes this car go. F=MA the last time I checked.

I'm more interested in what the curve looks like than actual numbers.. Although I am curious to hear what it put down.

[IrNi]

congrats man

[Trizzy]

Nice time. What mods on the engine do you have done? Obviously turbo, what else?

[wparsons]

^^ if you read the first post, its 100% internally stock... I'm pretty sure he's running the stock H22 intake manifold too..

[Jimmy]

wow seriously bloody impressive there Paul, so this run was made on 9psi?...i'm guessing with your mph and approximate weight it put down between 390-420whp?...am I getting warm?...lol

[2point2]

340whp is all you need to hit those times at 2200lbs. I've seen high comp h22's and c5's will put down that amount with only 9psi(g) if everything is working right. Punch that into any online calculator ;)

Other than that the slick size was bang on for 10.9ets with the M2B4 tranny and I guess the extra displacement really helped with the 60fts.

If the average turbo guy was more like the average allmotor guy than these kinds of ETs with sub 400whp would be very common.

[Jimmy]

340whp is all you need to hit those times I'm not doubting that, but how about 137mph, I bet it was making a bit more then that to trap crazy like that. cause I've seen some mid to high 10's at 125 so your power to weight i'm guessing is better then some of those guys

[Jimmy]

so did they tell you to get off and get a cage?

[Sebastien]

^^ if you read the first post, its 100% internally stock... I'm pretty sure he's running the stock H22 intake manifold too..

IIRC Paul is running the Euro-R manifold, which is a stock manifold but has no dual runners from factory. Correct me if I'm wrong paul.

[khunt0012]

IIRC Paul is running the Euro-R manifold, which is a stock manifold but has no dual runners from factory. Correct me if I'm wrong paul.

Nah, he's got the stock manifold. He bought my stocker off me for some of the parts and mock up stuff.

H's own! :D

[Gomez]

damn, that is fricken awesome.
Congrats man


and kyle, i agree, H's rule:D

[2point2]

340whp is all you need to hit those times I'm not doubting that, but how about 137mph, I bet it was making a bit more then that to trap crazy like that. cause I've seen some mid to high 10's at 125 so your power to weight i'm guessing is better then some of those guys

Yeah, the trap speed is pretty nuts but there aren't exactly a lot of light CRX's with H22's, 23.5" slicks, t3/4's and w/1.61 60fts compare to.

They didn't say anything about a cage. I can only imagine the line up of people at a CSCS event crying about that.. lol. I'll have to look into one.. no biggy though, I still have 60lbs or so I can take off the car.

[2point2]

Nah, he's got the stock manifold. He bought my stocker off me for some of the parts and mock up stuff.

H's own! :D

It's still collecting dust! honestly.. I dont see a need to mess with the intake manifold or even the whole head for an FI setup - the H-series head is a monster with boost and the OEM JDM cams. You can have it back if you want :P

[khunt0012]

It's still collecting dust! honestly.. I dont see a need to mess with the intake manifold or even the whole head for an FI setup - the H-series head is a monster with boost and the OEM JDM cams. You can have it back if you want :P

H22's just LOVE to breathe. I might take you up on that too Paul.

[Sebastien]

Paul, could you show me a few things on crome?

[2point2]

sure man, do you have it running with anything?

[wparsons]

Yeah, the trap speed is pretty nuts but there aren't exactly a lot of light CRX's with H22's, 23.5" slicks, t3/4's and w/1.61 60fts compare to.

They didn't say anything about a cage. I can only imagine the line up of people at a CSCS event crying about that.. lol. I'll have to look into one.. no biggy though, I still have 60lbs or so I can take off the car.

Go on a diet :D :D

I'm surprised they didn't say anything about the lack of a cage.. I wouldn't complain though!

[2point2]

R/T .337
60' 1.617
330' 4.639
1/8 7.039
MPH 102.31
1000' 9.068
1/4 10.732
MPH 136.77

I'm too lazy to scan in the slip.

[mx3autozam]

Wow Paul this car is nuts. I can't wait to see this thing sometime.

[wparsons]

One more question Paul... Whats the fully loaded weight with you in it?? I love the results you got from such little actual work compared to other cars.. Just very carefully chosen parts, and a proper setup(suspension, alignment, etc) for the application.

[Jimmy]

I'm still determined the fact that this car did not trap 137mph with 340whp, from everything I've read in a car of your weight its just not possible, the 10.7 totally is just not 137mph...boost creep maybe?

[Accent4ever]

Paul, remind me, do you have an lsd?

[2point2]

One more question Paul... Whats the fully loaded weight with you in it?? I love the results you got from such little actual work compared to other cars.. Just very carefully chosen parts, and a proper setup(suspension, alignment, etc) for the application.

Lately I've been thinking the car is between 1950 and 2150. Lightweight rims, lexan hatch and dropping the exhaust alone can take a lot of weight off in a hurry.

Seriously man, your second comment warms my heart...and at the same time, probably breaks a few hearts too.. LOL :D However, I think you probably meant 'actually money' not 'actual work' because a lot of work went into this crx behind the scenes.

Paul, remind me, do you have an lsd?

Yep. m2b4 with a hydro to cable conversion.

I'm still determined the fact that this car did not trap 137mph with 340whp, from everything I've read in a car of your weight its just not possible, the 10.7 totally is just not 137mph...boost creep maybe?

there was no creep. I tripple-checked last Thursday. And that's with the exhaust on - which has a greater chance of creeping.

the car either hit 400.3whp with 9psi (and no creep because it was the first thing I checked) or hit 137mph with ~340whp (which is a whp pulled out of my ass to please people who really care) OR the car is lighter than we both think.... or just a combination of a few things.

Actually guys, I lied.. I made 706whp/501tq, it's a fully build h24a with a type r vtec.

[wparsons]

^^ By actual work I meant amount of parts thrown at it.. You poured alot of your time and energy into doing things right, but you didn't just throw unnecessary parts into it, just what was needed and was actually going to work.

[Bchillin]

great time, congrats

[Sebastien]

Actually guys, I lied.. I made 706whp/501tq, it's a fully build h24a with a type r vtec.

I knew it :P .

Hey Paul, think I could take a gander at your setup and chat it up a bit? I don't think I need to tell you why.

[2point2]

I knew it :P .

Hey Paul, think I could take a gander at your setup and chat it up a bit? I don't think I need to tell you why.

I usually go to the psa meet on wed; Not to go to the psa meet, but to chat with Mike D Macaroni.

[Accent4ever]

the car either hit 400.3whp with 9psi (and no creep because it was the first thing I checked) or hit 137mph with ~340whp (which is a whp pulled out of my ass to please people who really care) OR the car is lighter than we both think.... or just a combination of a few things.


Actually the numbers check out from what I can see. 340whp is a decent guess for those e.t.s for a car of that weight and 9psi with a decent sized turbo.

Or 400whp would explain the higher trap speed. It does seem unlikely that it would make 400whp on 9psi though.

Either way it doesn't really matter. Its still really fucking fast. I think those ETs are sweet, considering its not a built motor. Good job man.

[Sebastien]

I usually go to the psa meet on wed; Not to go to the psa meet, but to chat with Mike D Macaroni.

Wed's are never good for me. I'm more of a weekend guy.

[2point2]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/2point2/th_Movie.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v485/2point2/?action=view&current=Movie.flv)

here's video proof. :D cant see shit unless it's full screen. :Banane36:

[rustbucket]

lol, nice video.

[Turk]

Congrats on hitting 10's.

[Sebastien]

Nice song choice for the video Paul.

[Jamie]

haha, awesome vid:D

[2point2]

Car is probably off the road now. Huge puddle of oil from the crank pulley area after pulling my car back into the garage from my driveway. :rolleyes:

Glad it didn't happen at the track.

[Sebastien]

What went wrong?

[2point2]

Not 100% sure yet.. the cold makes me lazy :P

[2point2]

What went wrong?

front seal. no biggy.

[2point2]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/2point2/dyno1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/2point2/dyno2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/2point2/dyno3.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/2point2/dyno.jpg

I lost the original dyno graph after moving to kitchener. Marken upgraded their dyno software and it corrupted my graph, we were however able to grab the "point data reports". Since everyone loves graphs, I cut and pasted the data into an excel file and made a chart. Gotta love optical character recognition software :)

Big thanks to Marken Performance.

[Nikiterzts]

crazy numbers man....wow

[wparsons]

Is that 400whp still on 9psi?

[Trizzy]

Nice dude, hot damn thats a fast car.

[>-Mika-<]

N00b Question: is this car street legal or is it purely built for the 1/4?

[Trance|Ghost]

street legal, but as far as I know.. the car isn't capable of the same numbers on the road.

just what I heard.

[2point2]

just what I heard.

:supergay:

[JoeSound]

same in audio you do not need a huge power amp to get the numbers you want.....but all in all it helps in the end.

Nice job man

[Trance|Ghost]

:supergay:

:jawdrop: You're going to tell me you're car runs 10.7 the same way it does on the street?

come on now...

I know of a crx in town that should be faster.. as soon as it hits the track... :eek: :bananen_smilies071:

[turboeeyore]

i'm impressed...what's the secret recipe? the 11 herbs and spices?

[2point2]

:jawdrop: You're going to tell me you're car runs 10.7 the same way it does on the street?

no, but it hit 130+mph on street tires.

and why does that matter to you?

[Trance|Ghost]

130 mph is pretty damn respectable...

it doesnt matter... just wondering, what did the car actually run in street form?

[2point2]

Is that 400whp still on 9psi?

It's a 9psi spring (nothing on the top of the wastegate)

The car left with less hp and a safer tune. I just wanted to post my peak graph because my friends will laugh at all the shit I start online.

[2point2]

what did the car actually run in street form?

I never ran the car full out on street tires since I turbocharged it. There's no point with the tires I have. I give it in 3rd and 4th to check my dataloggs and when things are the way I like it I slap on the slicks and fucking go for it. People who have seen me at the track the last couple of times will tell you exactly that.

honestly, what do you think a car that runs 10.7 on slicks will run on drag radials or "street tires"? There's your answer. Feel better?

[Boosted_coupe]

I know of a crx in town that should be faster.. as soon as it hits the track... :eek: :bananen_smilies071:

Talk is cheap.. very cheap.

[Ivan]

sweet numbers

[2point2]

Talk is cheap.. very cheap.

The he said, she said, i heard... kind of (cheap)talk goes with the territory. ;)

There's something about my particular situation that gets people even more fired up - I have some theories as to why, but I'll just sit back and enjoy it. This is entertainment to me.

[>-Mika-<]

One way or another...congrads on the 10.732 :D you expecting those kinda numbers again this year?

[2point2]

One way or another...congrads on the 10.732 :D you expecting those kinda numbers again this year?

maybe... purchased a house by myself a few months ago so budget is tight. This year I'd like to get more into tuning other peoples cars as well as building my own engine.

[Jimmy]

It's a 9psi spring (nothing on the top of the wastegate)

The car left with less hp and a safer tune. I just wanted to post my peak graph because my friends will laugh at all the shit I start online.


could the 9psi spring be in a wastegate that is too small or not working correctly and be creeping to 15?

[2point2]

could the 9psi spring be in a wastegate that is too small or not working correctly and be creeping to 15?

Jimmy.... Only amateurs give a fuck about "boost". ;)

Boost was read on a 0-25 horizontal scale if i remember correctly. Boost is never 100% constant, it's always wavy so getting into too much detail on the boost is completely pointless from a tuning standpoint. Anyway, If it was creeping it wasn't anymore than 2-3psi, nothing I saw on the boost graph caused any alarm bells to go off. Also, creeping shows up on the torque curve, there is slight evidence of creep on the torque curve but nothing I'm going to stress about.

I tuned the car, that's the numbers I got.

The point I've been trying to make from the start is that numbers are just numbers. There is error in every measurement so it's silly to go into detail over this kind of stuff.

I still think the dyno read 30-40hp too high (dynos are meant to be accurate and repeatable, not precise) and that the no-so-typical mph and et comes more from the crazy 60ft and that the torque/weight ratio that my setup has is not typical.

[Boosted_coupe]

The he said, she said, i heard... kind of (cheap)talk goes with the territory. ;)

There's something about my particular situation that gets people even more fired up - I have some theories as to why, but I'll just sit back and enjoy it. This is entertainment to me.

I know, I've seen it on a few forums. Let the haters hate. Keep doing what you're doing.

[Jimmy]

Jimmy.... Only amateurs give a fuck about "boost". ;)

Boost was read on a 0-25 horizontal scale if i remember correctly. Boost is never 100% constant, it's always wavy so getting into too much detail on the boost is completely pointless from a tuning standpoint. Anyway, If it was creeping it wasn't anymore than 2-3psi, nothing I saw on the boost graph caused any alarm bells to go off. Also, creeping shows up on the torque curve, there is slight evidence of creep on the torque curve but nothing I'm going to stress about.

I tuned the car, that's the numbers I got.

The point I've been trying to make from the start is that numbers are just numbers. There is error in every measurement so it's silly to go into detail over this kind of stuff.

I still think the dyno read 30-40hp too high (dynos are meant to be accurate and repeatable, not precise) and that the no-so-typical mph and et comes more from the crazy 60ft and that the torque/weight ratio that my setup has is not typical.

that's odd because i know of a certain blue srt4 that was dynoed there and went to tag within the next couple of days and made a fair amount more power actually

[2point2]

that's odd because i know of a certain blue srt4 that was dynoed there and went to tag within the next couple of days and made a fair amount more power actually

I must be a good tuner than; making a "fair amount more power" than 400whp on a stock engine. so either I'm a bullshitter or a good tuner. I can live with either one. :)

[Ivan]

hahaha i hope its the good tuner part as you have to tune my car

[2point2]

hahaha i hope its the good tuner part as you have to tune my car

I'd like to look at your setup this weekend if possible?

[Ivan]

sure thing

i work tomorow till 5 than i have to do few things to the car

have to get my iac changed, get my iab's wired up and do an oil change

thank wait for new header to come and its all yours

[2point2]

^ I'm making another guy fix his IAC problem before I touch his car fyi ;)

Check (or block off completely) the FITV as well. They suck. http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1564019

[Ivan]

FITV is good to go

iac is good to go

iab just have to wire it, still looking at diagrams just want to make sure before i do it so i dont burn out ecu or something lol (hate electrical)

[2point2]

I have a lot of obd1 pins if you need any.

BTW, the wiring is different from obd1 to obd2... is your engine obd2? Never looked in to because I dont think I need an IAB in a 2100lbs crx. I took them completely out.

[wparsons]

Maybe I'm not JDM enough(:D), but whats an IAB?

[2point2]

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg131/djdmac_2008/034-1.jpg

http://users.adelphia.net/~hagakure962/images/BypassValvesRSZ.jpg

Maybe I'm not JDM enough(:D), but whats an IAB?

Intake Air Bypass.

It's quite common on many domestics as well. Honda preludes(and accords?) and Integra GSRs have it built in to their intake manifolds. It's a set of 4 small butterflies (like mini throttlebodies) that open at high rpm to let more air into the engine. The problem is that if your intake manifold is too opened up you'll lose air velocity, so to get the best of both worlds (high and low rpm torque/efficiency) you have to cut half the manifold out below a preset rpm/load (~5000rpm).

[wparsons]

ahhhhhhhhh, I hadn't even thought of Intake Air Bypass.. Thanks Paul.. We'll call that a blonde moment on my part.

[Ivan]

I have a lot of obd1 pins if you need any.

BTW, the wiring is different from obd1 to obd2... is your engine obd2? Never looked in to because I dont think I need an IAB in a 2100lbs crx. I took them completely out.


the engine is obd1 and im using my obd2 sir harness

i need to add wires for the iab and o2 sensor, but since i hate electrical its taking me time to do it

[crxforum]

IAB = Insane Amounts of Boost that is how he is going so fast!

Mystery solved.

CRX Forum

[2point2]

Not!

My wastegate is allmotor.. :P

[crxforum]

Not!

My wastegate is allmotor.. :P

I drive a school bus.

CRX Forum

[2point2]

how fast is it?

[crxforum]

how fast is it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAvTnIX4bsw

CRX Forum

[2point2]

Lmao...

[Trance|Ghost]

My old pos r/t neon had a similar intake setup, worked well.

[>-Mika-<]

^^ is Cambridge and surrounding regions gonna see more and more of Portuguese guys driving Neon R/Ts and SRT-4's instead of Civics?

[2point2]

^^ is Cambridge and surrounding regions gonna see more and more of Portuguese guys driving Neon R/Ts and SRT-4's instead of Civics?

they were raised better than that.

[2point2]

210psi across all 4 cylinders +/- 5psi

pretty good for cracked sleeves, eh? :D

[Thewhop]

haha no shit man!!!

[Trance|Ghost]

they were raised better than that.

I'm from the islands so it probably explains why I have an srt

But hey hey now I had my civic still, and miss it dearly.